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By Jennifer Taylor
Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 6:41 p.m.

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HOLLAND -- He’s arguable the most talked about plumber in the world.  Joe Wurzelbacher didn’t dub himself “Joe the Plumber.”  He can thank Senators John McCain and Barack Obama for that.

“He did not choose to be flung into the national and international spotlight.  We have a guy who was basically a private person and citizen that was flung into this,” Jon Stainbrook-Lucas Co. Republican Party Chair.

But in order to be a plumber you do need a license.  Something our investigation found Joe doesn’t have.  In Lucas County you need a license to do residential work.  If the boss of a company has valid documentation employees are covered.  However, NBC-24 learned neither Joe, nor his boss Al Newell, are authorized to do work in Lucas County.

We talked to some of Joe’s neighbors on Shrewsbury Street in Holland.  Everyone said they could care less if he’s a “real” plumber.  They just say he’s a real nice guy.

“I don’t care if he’s a plumber or not.  He’s just a regular Joe and whatever his profession is I don’t care,” Scott Klawitter.

“Who cares if he's a plumber?  He could have been a truck driver or anything.  People should just respect somebody for that,” Denise Knisley-neighbor.

“Do you care he’s not a plumber?” Jennifer Taylor.  “No I don't, that he's not licensed you mean?  It means nothing to me,” John Klawitter-neighbor.

Joe stopped talking with the media before we could ask him about his licensing issue.

The City of Toledo Plumbing Board of Control could punish an individual, or a company, found to be practicing without a valid license.  No word if that will happen in his case.

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Who Ya Gonna Call?

Posted by Carol Church, West Unity, OH - Thursday, January 08, 2009 at 8:46 p.m.

Hey, when the world is in the toilet and things just are not going round like they should, Who Ya Gonna Call but Joe The Plumber?

Maybe he will bring some UNBIASED truth to the news. That would be a nice flush to the system.

Joe not a plumber?

Posted by art t, Virginia - Wednesday, October 29, 2008 at 6:51 p.m.

The author of this article would have done well to pick up a dictionary and read exactly what a plumber is. You don't have to be liscensed to be called a plumber. You can work for someone with a liscense and be a plumber................

Joe the Plumber was a republican plant....

Posted by TC Paul, Arizona - Friday, October 24, 2008 at 1:50 p.m.

The fact that John McCain spent so much time talking Joe makes it seem like a set up and something that was staged. McCain refuses to talk about what he will do if he is elected (obviously, it will be the same crap that Bush put us through) All McCain ever does is talk Dirt about his opponents and point the finger....he is a loser and very desperate. At this point he would lie cheat or steal to get elected....which is actually what the Republican party has always done in the past anyway....I will be so happy to have an intelligent President in office after almost eight years of that brain damaged imbecile G W Vote Obama...and get this country back on track!

People are funny...

Posted by J MICHAEL, TOLEDO - Thursday, October 23, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.

Yeah, health care to the american people or more money to oil companies...hmmmm...Let me think for another 12 days on that one.You take America, right(suppose to be greatest country in the world), make the people get sick and then pay out the rear in hostpital expenses, then once there poor give the teachers and school systems less money so we can futher in dumbing down our population.This is why Americans are getting cut off from Canada because people are getting THAT SICK OF THIS GOV'T THEY NEED TO LEAVE.. Now Mccain's blaming Bush for the crisis we are currently in...HEY GUY YOU VOTED 90% OF THE TIME WITH HIM "MORE THEN ANY OTHER REP." 90%
MCSAME AS BUSH
INTELLIGENT PEOPLE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!

License Optional

Posted by Gary Turski, Maumee, OH - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 at 7:29 p.m.

Hey Aaron,
Check into why plumbers are licenced in the first place. It's so the unions can control the higher wages and restrict competition, better yet vote for Obama so he can take half of what you make and give it to some lazy slug.

Get Him!

Posted by Dani S, Toledo - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

He spoke up and made a good point so lets dig dig dig until we can find something negative to boost the story along!! Lets get those viewers ladies and gents!! Stay positive folks the bad news never runs out! Ah to be in Toledo.

Truth Hurts

Posted by YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU - Monday, October 20, 2008 at 8:02 p.m.

Normal people who take time out of there daily lives to come meet or greet a presidential candidate would actually have asked a question that impacts their person and/or family.For "Joe" to ask a question that has nothing to do with him is beyond me. We have a guy in which has NO BUSINESS what so ever, No PLUMBING LICENCE, worrying about taxes when he can't even pay his own.Look bottom line, people like this are worthless they take away work from hard working tax paying people like me for cheaper labor having no insurance workmans comp and all the other glorified taxated things that come along with owning a business.Then for him to say he wasn't impressed with Obama, speaks for the type of guy he really is.My father ownes his own contracting/handyman business when he goes in on bid he knows we can't RIGHTFULLY make what we should because of the fact we have to bid so low just to beat out "JOE". INTELLIGENT PEOPLE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to gary

Posted by aaron davis, bg - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 10:05 p.m.

hey gary, the owner doesnt have a license. thats why this is a story. read up on the facts, you'll get it then

Way to go Joe

Posted by Chris Bonczek, Temperance Mi - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 9:06 p.m.

Some people may think this Joe the plumber debate is over kill but I think not. It is the law that we all pay our taxes and have proper licensing. But Joe the plumber has his own law. In regards to his not having a license to perform plumbing in Toledo what makes him the exception to the law. These laws are set up to protect the home and business owners from fly by night individuals with shoddy workmanship, at prices comparable with legitimate contractors. Let’s think??? No license, doesn’t pay taxes, wants to open a business. I would not even want to get an estimate from that business.

Chris
Temperance MI.

If the Truth Hurts don't tell stories !

Posted by B Truthful , Toledo, Ohio - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 8:29 p.m.

NBC 24 You don't have to apologize for reporting the news, some of us appreciate Fair Accurate and Honest News. If Joe "The Plumber" who really is not a Plumber was truthful none of this would even be news. Instead he fabricated a story about buying a business that he couldn't afford and didn't make even half of what he claimed the company made. Obviously "Poor Joe's" storytelling back fired and instead of being the "Big Man" on the block it turns out that he is just a Story telling Joe, that doesn't require a license. It's funny how fast McCain jump on his bandwagon without checking to see it had three flat tires....

At least make an effort not to be so biased

Posted by gary turski, Maumee,OH - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 8:03 p.m.

If you would have made an effort to research your story on Joe the Plumber you would know that you don't have to be a licensed plumber to work as one as long as someone in the company has the license. All you have managed to do is perpetuate the liberal practice of character destruction when you disagree with the message. Joe simply uncovered Obama's real intent to spread the wealth around which is code for Socialisim and guess what it does'nt work! It's no wonder that viewers are switching to the Fox News Network in huge numbers.

Joe the Plumber

Posted by Bob Pinkelman, Toledo, Ohio - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 8:03 p.m.

The City of Toledo should stop Joe the Plumber from working as a plumber. As a bussiness owner who is not one of the majority that John McCain claims make $250,000 a year,I pay to be licensed where I work as a heating and air conditioning contractor. I also pay for my employee's licenses. Why should Joe the plumber get a free ride.He is breaking the law. The City of Toledo requires contractors and their employees to be insured and have proper training before they will sell them a license. This protects the public from being ripped off. There will always be people that feel that rules and taxes do not apply to them. It is this type of thinking that has got the Country into the situation it is in now. I believe it is time for a change. Make Joe the Plumber get a license and ellect Barack Obama President.

Fair, Accurate and Honest

Posted by Jan Pointer, Perrysburg - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 7:56 p.m.

I am appalled that NBC 24 has descended on a totally innocent person like a school of pirannha, and have
one question for you. Just what does Joe's professional life have to do with the presidential
election, the issues, or for that matter, ANYTHING at all?? So let me be fair, accurate, and honest with you when I tell you that my TV will, from this day forward, be tuned to any station but yours!

Nonsense

Posted by jennifer meyer, holgate, oh - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 7:05 p.m.

The media posted not only that he isnt a licensed plumber (which we dont really care about) and also the lien on his house that he owes and then investigated his voter registration status. How ridiculous! The man must be doing something right in the plumbing business to do well. Leave him alone

Um, OK

Posted by What Ever, Toledo - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 2:35 p.m.

Joe is the one that admitted publicly that he did not have a legal license to provide plumbing services in Lucas Co. The so-called "liberal" media had nothing to do with airing/digging for this information.

If McCain's team had properly investigated Joe - prior to dragging him into the public eye - the fallacies in his situation would have been moot.

I personally feel that this debacle hurts McCain more - it highlights his lack of dedication to details and his quickness to jump on whatever situation he feels might benefit him personally. (Keating 5, G. Gordon Liddy)

lay off joe

Posted by robert chew, toledo - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:01 p.m.

How typical for the Democrats and the willing members of the media to destroy the messenger when they hate the message . Imagine if "joe the Plumber" went along with Obama's tax plan. There would of been no news of a plumbers license or tax lien. As a matter of fact he could of been involved with a guy that blew up government buildings and it would of be considered non newsworthy . Thanks Joe for that brilliant question . You may have helped save are country from being taken over by a Socialist oops I mean a community organizer

Shame on you

Posted by kim spann, fremont - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 10:10 a.m.

Shame on you NBC 24 for digging into "Joe the Plumbers" personal life. He didn't ask for all of the publicity that was given to him and for you to take it to the extent that you did is shameful. My comments have nothing to do with who I favor in the race. It was just a man voicing his concerns, which he has a right to do. You should have just let him have his 15 miinutes of fame, and been done with it. I think you took it too far.

Plumber or not who cares?

Posted by Tricia Green, Findlay - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 9:14 a.m.

Not me. But it is unfair to blame the media. It is Senator John McCain who latched on to him to make a final desperate stand. What really matters is that Joe like most of us will do better with Obama's tax plan than McCain tries to lead us to believe. That is the point. Most small businesses (like Joe the plumber) will not pay more -unlike we are told by McCain.

Laws are laws.

Posted by Matt Slee, Rossford,OH - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 7:05 a.m.

Its unfortunate that Joe was put in the spotlight involuntarily. The fact of the matter is that if I, and everyone else needs a license to drive, fish, hunt, etc. then he and his company must abide by state law. Im sure having a plumbing license costs money, and thats just typical republican attitude to try and make as much money as possible without contributing back to the community, lawfully.

L.D.

Posted by L D, Napoleon - Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:57 a.m.

I'm sure I heard Joe the Plumber say that as of right now as a middle class laborer he would benefit more under Obama's Plan than McCain's. Bt as far a a license goes, it's the law in Lucas County, if not all of Ohio. Certainly Joe doesn't want to violate the law, I mean he supports John McCain doesn't he.

Joe the Plumber or Joe Six Pack

Posted by jeff Toledo, Toledo - Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:26 p.m.

Its typcical for the the Drive By's to attack a hard working man instead of a hard working terrorist like William Ayers and his wife. WHAT DOES OBAMAMA AND OSAMA HAVE IN COMMON? THEY BOTH KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOMBED THE PENTAGON!!!!

Mr.

Posted by Phil Schroeder, Toledo - Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:06 p.m.

Someone needs to learn math skills. Read the posting below. What does it matter what Joe is? Joe seems to be a hardworking American and needs help like the rest of us do. Let's stop waiting with our hands out and start being proactive!

Joe the Plumber

Posted by Paul Hofbauer, Fostoria - Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 8:46 p.m.

Just because he made a comment to a candidate and made national news does not mean he should be investigated for things such as taxes licenses and registered to vote.
However if he has a business and makes $25000.00 a year he should pay taxes, that's a profit of one million in only four years. He should not want food stamps.

awww too bad for obama

Posted by average joe, toledo - Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 7:34 p.m.

typical liberal media, who cares? just because he questioned the almighty obama? and it actually makes obama look bad...awww too bad

Joe's Take On Sports

Posted by Jennifer Lee, Maumee - Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 7:16 p.m.

While it's nice to know who Joe the Plumber is, I was happy to see he's a Buckeye Fan!

joe the plumber

Posted by laura vazquez, stryker - Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 7:10 p.m.

....GOD BLESS THE WORKING MAN.... LEAVE JOE ALONE.....

hm

Posted by k s, bg - Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 7:05 p.m.

You people just can't stand hearing someone disagree with Obama. If he would have been disagreeing with McCain, you would have written a story about how brave he was for confronting a contender for the highest seat in the country and dismissed anything negative about him. How predictable.

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