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By Laura Rice
Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 12:07 a.m.

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FINDLAY -- Most of us remember our high school prom.

The date, the dress, the dancing.

But it is making memories like those that will bar one area high school student from graduation.

They say if he attends prom at his girlfriend's school he will be suspended and will not get to cross the stage with his classmates.

Tyler Frost says he was taken aback by his school's decision to punish him for attending a prom.

"I didn't think it'd be anything this serious," said Heritage Christian School senior Tyler Frost.

He is been going to Heritage Christian School since kindergarten and has never had a problem with the conservative values taught there until now.

"after going to school there for 13 years I'd like to think they'd have a little more trust in me," said Frost.

He admits he signed a form at the beginning of the year outlining the school's policies but feels it says School Handbook on the cover for a reason.

"How is (the principal) able to punish me during school for something done on the weekend?" said Frost.

Frost's stepfather agrees.

"As long as in school, I 100 percent agree he needs to abide by any laws or religion or whatever they push. But after school, it's up to me and his mother and family to make the rules," said Stephan Johnson.

But the school's principal says that's not the case.

"at a prom there will be many young ladies who will be dressed in the current styles which would be low cut dresses and things like that and there will be dancing. How does a young man protect his mind and not have wrong thoughts or lustful thoughts in a situation like that," said Heritage Christian School Principal Tim England.

"Everyday there's people in shorts, dresses, everywhere. In life you're going to se that no matter where you go," said Johnson.

But the school's decision is final.

"You'll find in the old testament the story of Joseph. When he was put in a place of temptation he fled," said England.

Frost says he trusts himself to resist temptation and stands by his decision to attend the prom.

"Stand up for what you think is right and if you've committed yourself to go and you believe there's nothing really wrong with going then... go" said Frost.

Frost's parents are actually looking to sue the school.

If he does attend prom this weekend his suspension will take effect Monday.

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PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE!

Posted by J Frank, Toledo, OH - Wednesday, May 13, 2009 at 6:33 p.m.

Sure seems like suspension is extreme for a youth who is recognizing his own limits and personal beliefs via his actions. If he says he'll behave within the guidelines of his temptations, give him the benefit of the doubt, after all he will have to exist out in the real world where all this "sex" stuff thrives day by day anyway.

Why didn't the principal simply refuse to sign the consent paper saying he could not attend another school's event and/or stipulate the guidelines on the consent form?

Parents suing the school...let's get real here! Perhaps there's an opportunity to read the good book. Besides you elected to send your child to private school! Get a grip.

Footloose 2009

Posted by Henri Abrams, Laurel, MD - Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 11:52 a.m.

Go have a good time and don't think about the administration from the stoneage who are only comprehending 50% of the bible to suit the situation.

Ok

Posted by Jim Black, On a computer - Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 8:30 a.m.

For all you writing a paragrah get a life

Absurd

Posted by Jessica Giardina, Holbrook - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 8:27 p.m.

I think that it's absolutely ridiculous for a student to be suspended over something so silly as to going to a prom and dancing. I think those in charge have lost sight on what's important and what's not in a young man's life. I believe that a young man has the right to attend a dance, if he has also has the right to choose at a young age to fight and die for this country. Also, Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding. I don't see anyone condemning Jesus for that.

Taking advantage of a situation

Posted by Liz Daniels, Swanton - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 6:18 p.m.

What message is the student and the parents sending.
He signed the contract and now will break it because it suits him.
Is this how he will handle all things in his life?
Job contracts for employees?
Loan contracts?
Marriage contract?
Doesn't seem very responsible no matter what his religious convictions are.(which the Bible tells us to honor all contracts.
How can people who are not Christians even begin to comment on Christian issues?
This was a choice to have him attend school here made by his parents who are now going to sue??? Because they broke the rules?? Private schools set their own rules.
Suck it up. The media should not even be involved.

Re: Let Me Get This Straight

Posted by Tyler Smith, Kentucky - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 2:39 p.m.

AnnoyingStuff:"What about personal responsibility? You signed the agreement and now you want to whine about having to suffer the consequences of breaking the rules you knew existed before you made the decision to attend the prom."

There does exist such a thing as an unconscionable contract.

In this case, it was well known in advance that the school had strict behavioral policies, and no one is arguing against that. The matter is that this school is barring him from attending a public school function for people his age; basically, this is a function that is supervised and considered by public schools age appropriate.

UNLESS the handbook had a specific rule in place rather than saying post-facto that students cannot attend proms of another school, then the rule enforcement would be valid. However, it seems as if this is an "arbitrary authority statement" rather than a rule-book issue, and as such it is very susceptible to an unconscionable contract decision, furthermore because it was a contract of adhesion.

I have heard by rumor (not in this story) that the principle did, indeed, sign a permission form for him to attend an outside prom at the beginning of the year and changed his stance mid-year, too, which definitely makes it lawsuit-legit.

Questions we must ask

Posted by Findlay Resident, Findlay, Ohio - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 12:34 p.m.

What morals is this young man violating by going to a high school prom? The rule this school has seems pretty ridiculous. What is this principal saying about Findlay High School girls? That they are "slutty" or act indecently at prom? Is he suggesting that just because Mr. Frost sees these young ladies in prom style dress dancing and having a good time that he will become some kind of animal and do immoral things? Doesn't sound like the principal has much confidence in what is being taught at his school.

I think it is great that Mr Frost is sticking to his convictions and standing up for his rights. We should question authority when it comes to ridiculous rules like this.

Let them praise His Name with dancing, making melody to Him with timbrel and lyre! Psalm 149:1-4

Posted by Gerri Herman, Toledo - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 10:15 a.m.

I would honestly like to know where in the Bible does it say that if we dance we are sinning? Where does it say that we cant sing? NO where! Granted this school states this but this is where we should keep school and home seperate. What a family does in their own time is their choice not for the school to say. Would Jesus condem this boy? NO I AM SURE HE WOULD NOT! Jesus said this to those who wanted to stone Mary Magdeline...

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground.""And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." (John 8:2-11 KJV)

Here are some excerpts that I found that says we are able to sing in dance and God will not condemn us.

"Let them praise His Name with dancing, making melody to Him with timbrel and lyre! For The Lord takes pleasure in His people; He adorns the humble with victory." (Psalm 149:1-4 RSV)

"For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance" (Ecclesiastes 3:1-4 RSV)

"They shall come and sing aloud on the height of Zion, and they shall be radiant over the goodness of The Lord, over the grain, the wine, and the oil, and over the young of the flock and the herd; their life shall be like a watered garden, and they shall languish no more. Then shall the maidens rejoice in the dance, and the young men and the old shall be merry." (Jeremiah 31:12-13 RSV)

I am not a "Bible Thumper" In fact I was raised catholic and I was always told that Jesus loved to hear and see the people sing and Dance!

Sounds like another issue of others trying to control a situation they shouldnt be involved in.

Posted by Corey Egert, Toledo - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 9:36 a.m.

The School should never of gotten involved in this unless the Prom was at their School. Since when can Schools have more input on a kids life than his Parents. He did the right thing, went to the principle, if it was not in accordance to the school policy he never should of signed the form. I agree that while in the school setting the school has a right to control ones behavior, but allowing the school to come into our homes and not allowing the kids parents to determine what is good and not good for their own child seems to me to be a little ludicrous to me.
one the school starts to come into the homes, what next? after school jobs?Colleges into student lives? The School needs to stay out of this one, if they thought it was the wrong thing to do or if they followed their own student behavioral policy then the attendance form should of never been signed by the principle.

lame.

Posted by Rodchester Von Gretchenstein, Neptune - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 8:17 a.m.

I attended this school for seven years. My freshman year, I had an xanga that the school somehow found and didn't like it because the beatles were on it and they suspended me for three days.

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMMING TO....?

Posted by APRIL WALKER, FOSTORIA,OHIO - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 7:24 a.m.

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING ON! WE HEAR EVERY DAY THAT CATHLIC PRIEST ARE HAVING REALTIONSHIPS WITH WOMAN WHOM THEY ARE NOT MARRIED TO AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS TO THIS CHILD LET THIS CHILD GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL WITH EVERYTHING HE HAS EARNED BY GOD WHO ARE YOU TO BE THE ONE WHO JUDGE'S HIM LORD HAVE MERCEY ON YOUR SOUL.........

this is ludicrous

Posted by tracy jones, GA - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 3:56 a.m.

when a student is IN school, they should follow school rules. outside of school they must follow PARENTAL rules. is the school planning on telling him what to do and how to do it for the rest of his life? if he is old enough to go to a prom, he is old enough to have learned manners and how he wants to act. i think the problem is religious leaders feel they are losing control like with the pharisees. cant control the people without a little fear. but it looks like this kid aint buyin it. you go! think for yourself!

Going to the prom

Posted by Tina Marsh, South Carolina - Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 11:21 p.m.

I think the school was a little extreme about this since it is on the young man's own weekend time. However, the parent's and the young man knew what the rules were. This is a lessons in why we should read contracts very carefully no matter what they are.
As far as the comment about separation of church and state-get your facts right. The constitution does not state this. People are reading into what they want it to say. Government cannot set up any particular religion, but it never stated that God had to be removed from the public square. We all need divine help.
Blessings and Peace to you!
Tina

To attend or not attend.

Posted by Tina Smith, Toledo - Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 8:59 p.m.

I guess by attending a Catholic school he was not aware that his weekends no longer belonged to him either. Talk about selling your soul to the Devil. Most parents send their kids to Catholic School for a better education, not for the religious beleifs that go along with the schooling. Let this young man go to the Prom.

To: Annoying Stuff!!!!

Posted by Julian Rios, Miami - Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 7:10 p.m.

To: Annoying Stuff! Your comment sounds very idiotic. You sound as bad as The Principal!
#1. You don't know what the agreement of the school that the boys family had signed said anyway. It did not say that he cannot go to another schools prom. He is not whining! This is injustice and black mail by the school. Striping away his freedom.
2#. I'm glad I don't believe in Catholic or Christian cause they constantly contradict everything they preach! I don't believe in any religion nor am I Atheist. I do not believe in form of religion. It is the cause of war and trivial matters that people stress on like this in the first place. The School has no business getting into the boys after school endeavors.
#3. The Principal like an idiot, is stating the boy will attend a place where girls are wearing short skirts and may be lustful. Think about it the Principal is thinking about something the boy probably didn't think about. The Principal sounds like a dirty old man who probably thinks about lustful things. Thats the first thing that he thought of when he thought of the boy going to prom? Sick. The Principal has too much time on his hands and needs to re-read what he so allegedly says are the words from God.

I cant stand "thumpers "to begin with

Posted by jerry H, temperance - Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 6:51 p.m.

If this kidd knew the school would have had a problem with him going , why did he tell them in the first place, if his parents know where he is that better then best, how was the school going to find out he went anyway?? sent in a spy in discize?!?! girls in short skirts hand tight clothing well first of all most schools have a policy to not have that in the first place, and holding hands?!! give me a break, get real.its the year 2009 ok!! ya know now i can see after reading the strict rules i get an idea how priest gain there leverage with young kids, sounds like they want mind and body possession to, they want to be the one. prety sick if thats the case, glad i dont support that religeous life altering crud, if thats there way of life it's a sin to live a natural life and make a family, these people are straingely sick im sorry. go away.

Findly School Prom Issue

Posted by Tracy Horvath, Oregon, Ohio - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 11:17 p.m.

I was shocked to hear the news about someone wanting to go to a prom at another school then risk getting suspended by the school he currently attends. First of all, it's not the schools business at all what this person does on his own time. Second, what if the boy never said anything about going to a prom and no one would have ever known about it. Absolutley rediculous! The family has a strong case if this goes to court as it should if he does get suspended!!!

Ms.

Posted by Anastia Bevenhausen, the buckle of the Bible belt! - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 10:55 p.m.

Separation of church and state...it's that simple. This young man attends a private school, where church and religion play a part; however, he is attending an event at a public school. Public as in funded by the taxpayers; therefore, this young man should be allowed to go to a prom without a private school stepping in and saying he can't dance, hold his girlfriend's hand, or listen to music at a public school event. Hey, are you going to tell him he can't go to the movies unless he is watching a Christian film? That he can't listen to the radio in his personal vehicle or in the privacy of his own home unless he listens to Christian music? If this were an event being held at his school, fine, you make the rules there, but the principal signed the 'release' form implying to the young man he could attend this event and then he threatened him? Don't sign the release form and then test the young man. Stand your principals and say, sorry, you can't go, it's against the promise you signed at the beginning of school. You signed it, you therefore implied it was ok for him to go, don't punish him. Kick yourself for making the wrong choice. I'm sure this young man will follow the morals and values he has been brought up by and taught by...let him graduate. Come on, 12 yrs of hard work is enough, don't deny him that which he has earned because of your mistake!

........duh

Posted by Dennis M, Arizona - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 9:34 p.m.


No one seems to be stating the obvious. In most states, someone under the age of 18 cannot legally sign a contract or be expected fulfill the conditions of something they signed while underage 18. He has no obligation to those idiotic schools rules outside of that school.

Especially since most kids that go to schools like that are basically forced to sign "pledges of conduct" by parents and school administrators.

People that run places like this and the parents that force their children into them should simply be eradicated like any other vermin. All they produce is brainwashed zombies who can't think for themselves.

You have GOT TO BE KIDDING!

Posted by Terry Walters, Toledo - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 3:53 p.m.

Whats next at that school A book burnig?!!!!!Go to the prom and follow what you know is the right choice!

Never would I ever Imagine

Posted by Tyler C., Port Clinton - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 12:46 p.m.

That there would be such extreme conservatives today that are not from the 17th century. What is the principal, some descendant of a Noble family during Feudalism or a prosecutor during the Salem Witch Trials?

Suspened for going to prom??

Posted by Melinda G, oregon, ohio - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 12:22 p.m.

I agree with the father..what is done on the weekends is the parents responsibilty not the schools..The school needs to butt out of parenting and stick to teaching. I would allow my son to go and stand up for his rights.. I would also take legal action and make sure my son walked across that stage with his head held high!!! Stick up for yourself buddy!!!

Sadness in my heart

Posted by Ken Babcock, Lakeside, Arizona - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 12:20 p.m.

A sad story to be sure. We would think that after we have molded this young man into what he is today, we would have faith that he could go forward and bring our values to others. I have worked with the young people of this country most of my life, and I am now 70 years old, so it has been a while. It is now their world, and they must take what we have taught them, and make this a better place for themselves. This young man in a few days will no longer be only associated with those at his school, but with all the peoples of the world. We must let him make decisions, learn and teach others. I once asked a sixteen year old girl if all her friends we Christians, and she said "no, but that is OK, because otherwise I would not have the opportunity to lead anyone out of the darkness. We have made a mess of this world, and we need young men like this to carry on for us, and I sincerely believe that schools like Heritage do a good job of preparing him and the rest of the class. Lets let him go forth and represent us, if he fails us, then we need to talk to him again. If Mr. England should read this, I have included my phone number, I would liketo speak to him.
Respectfully Ken Babcock
Also if Mrs Newton my english teacher should read this, I appologise.

The American Taliban?

Posted by Marjorie Nye, Palmyra, Virginia - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 8:08 a.m.

Why bother teaching morals and good decision-making to your children when you can simply bully them into desired behavior?

UNBELIEVABLE

Posted by Ray Charlton, USA - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 6:46 a.m.

Perhaps the school comittee should suspend any of their students that go to shopping malls on the weekend! After all, there are girls there with low cut tops and short skirts. Why don't they just throw him in a pit and stone him.

Principal Tim England

Posted by Francis Skrenes, Pittsville WI - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 3:38 a.m.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! THIS IS A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL???? THE BIBLE(BELIEVED TO BE GOD'S WORD) ITSELF IN BOTH THE OLD AND NEW TESTEMENT TELL ALL TO CELEBRATE,DANCE,AND PRAISE GOD! HOW CAN ONE MAN, AND ONE SCHOOL BE SUCH HIPOCRITES! STOP ACTING LIKE SODOMITES AND BEHAVE LIKE NINEVITES! THIS YOUNG COUPLE HAVE CHOICES TO MAKE JUST LIKE ADAM AND EVE! STOP TRYING TO ENFORCE YOUR BELIEFS, TO THOSE OF YOUR GOD! REMEBER JESUS EMBRACED THE CHILDREN! ALL WILL ANSWER TO HIM!...JUDGE NOT LEAST YE SHALL BE JUDGED" BEFORE YOU TRY TO REMOVE THE SPLINTER FROM YOUR ENEMY'S EYE REMOVE THE BEAM FROM YOUR OWN! If your church is based on "your" beliefs, then YOU need to wander in the woods for 60 days(minimum 4 u!) to Feel and "hear" His words

Let me get this straight..

Posted by Annoying Stuff, Texas - Saturday, May 09, 2009 at 2:42 a.m.

We have a student who wanted to go to a private school that has very strict and different rules than the public schools. This student and his parents sign an agreement stating they know that the rules of being a student at this school will strictly ban this behavior and participation in events whether they be at school, before school or after school. After he realize that he wants to do something that is against the rules, and he realizes that school is going to enforce the rules by suspending him, he is throwing a little hissy fit, and his spineless father is standing by him saying "don't worry son, we will make them change their rules just to make you happy"

What about personal responsibility? You signed the agreement and now you want to whine about having to suffer the consequences of breaking the rules you knew existed before you made the decision to attend the prom.

Let me guess dad, when he gets busted for breaking the law of the city, are you going to go and whine about that law being unfairly applied to your son? We have rules in life, we live by them. You had a choice about what kind of school you put your son in, and it just so happens this one has rules and are actually willing ot enforce them.

When are we going to make our children follow the rules? How far are you willing to go in order to teach your child that he is above the rules?

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